June 1999 living in Gadsden Alabama
Funeral notes
<chat^^kat> Officiated by Rev. Chris Reagan
<chat^^kat> he was a nephew of richard's
<chat^^kat> Collier-Butler Funeral Home
<chat^^kat> 824 Rainbow Dr. ...Gadsden, AL<chat^^kat> got song that gary and debbie did
<chat^^kat> vince gill...sec...another note to find
<Telecom> k
<chat^^kat> Go Rest High On the Mountain
<chat^^kat> sung by Gary Crawford and Debbie Threatt
From SSDI
RICHARD F BATTLES
SSN 422-03-8351 Residence: 35901 Gadsden, Etowah, AL
Born 7 Jun 1913 Last Benefit:
Died 29 Aug 1999 Issued: AL (Before 1951)
Description: Escambia County
[B1Z.GED]
Died of Pneumonia
Robert and Bessie resided in Cherokee County Alabama in 1920
Parker Grove Cemetery is on County Road 71, outside Centre Alabama Cherokee County
from ancestry.com
Name Death Date County Volume Certificate Role Comment Page # Sex Race
Bob Battles Aug 1932 Etowah 41 2 20317
<chat^^kat> one other fact
<Telecom> do go on
<chat^^kat> Rosa L.....who married the earlier Richard Battles...
<chat^^kat> sec
<chat^^kat> durff...tele...can't find any clues
<Telecom> will search a bit then
<chat^^kat> k...and make a note somewhere
<chat^^kat> the carter connection and down thru ashworths...is the indian line
<chat^^kat> that is straight from Aunt Oma Lee
<Telecom> k, just copied those 2 lines into notes
<chat^^kat> k
Never married
http://search.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/sse.dll?&db=ssdi&ti=0&gsfn=froddie&gsln=battles&sx=&prox=1&gsco=2%2cunited+states&gspl=1%2call+states&year=&yearend=&gskw=&ti=0&submit.x=46&submit.y=15&gs=battles+froddie&gss=angs&indiv=1&fh=0
[B1Z.GED]
farm laborer 1900 census
boilermaker 1920 census
[B1Z.GED]
later married a Sharpley
Marge Notes: Known as 'Uncle Dub'. Lived in Augusta, GA at one time. Moved back to Meridian, MS and died and is buried here.
SSN: 451-16-6239, issued TX before 195?
SSDI - ssn 426-44-8400
Marge Notes: died in Akerman, MS
May be James Richard
Son of Franklin by Franklin's first wife (Unknown)
Richard and Rosa L____ resided in Cherokee County Alabama in 1900 and 1910We believe Richard is buried at Shady Grove Cemetery, Alabama
N34.1328 W85.7875
near the visitors center on the southeast side of Weiss Lake
From Robert Battles
R. Battle <battle@u.washington.edu>>1910 - Cherokee Co., AL, e.d. 8, sheet 3b
>
>Battles, Richard head M W 47 M1 22 AL GA SC farmer
>", Rosie wife F W 39 M1 22 4 4 GA AL GA
>", Minnie dau. F W 19 S GA AL GA
>", Robert son M W 16 S AL AL GA
>", Wallis son M W 10 S AL AL GA
>", Arthur son M W 6 S AL AL GA
>
>[the entries are for name, relation to head, gender, color, age, marital
>status, years married, children, children surviving, birthplace,
>birthplaces of parents]
>
>1920 - Cherokee Co., AL, e.d. 27, sheet 5a (8 January 1920)
>
>Battles, Robert head M W 28 M GA GA GA farmer
>", Bissie wife F W 30 M GA GA GA
>", Commodore son M W 12* S AL GA GA
>", Richard F. son M W 6 S AL GA GA
>", Oma L. dau. F W 4 4/12 S AL GA GA
>", Velma M. dau. F W 1 11/12 S AL GA GA
>
>*This is probably wrong, as Robert was not married until 1910 or after.
>
>
>I didn't have time to check the 1900 census yet, but I found the following
>Battles families in Cherokee Co. in 1900: James F. (e.d. 124 sheet 3a),
>Richard (e.d. 124 sheet 9a), Robert L. (e.d. 131 sheet 3b), William (e.d.
>131 sheet 3b), and William (e.d. 126 sheet 3b). This Richard is your
>Richard, and by the dates one of these Williams might be Richard's father.
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-----Original Message-----
From: R. Battle <battle@u.washington.edu>
To: Cathy Thompson <chatkat@strato.net>
Cc: Ron Thompson <ronwidd@sageinst.com>
Date: Thursday, May 06, 1999 10:03 AM
Subject: New Battles and Ashworth stuff>Cathy,
>
>I'm still not done, but I was able to find some more info in the census
>records today. First off, let me retract what I said about finding your
>Robert Battles in the Social Security death index, as your Robert had a
>different birth date.
>
>Here are the Battles family entries I looked at today.
>
>1900 - Cherokee Co., AL, e.d. 124, sheet 9a (14 Jun 1900)
>
>Battles, Richard head W M Jan 1869 31 M 12 AL AL AL farmer
>", Rosa L. wife W F Aug 1874 25 M 12 4 4 GA GA GA
>", Minnie L. dau. W F Aug 1890 9 S AL AL GA
>", Robert N. son W M Dec 1893 6 S AL AL GA
>", Walter M. son W M Sep 1899 8/12 S AL AL GA
>
>[columns are name, relation to head of household, color, gender, month of
>birth, year of birth, age, marital status, years married, number of
>children, number of surviving children, state of birth, states of birth of
>parents, occupation]
>
>
>1880 - Cherokee Co., AL, e.d. 23, s. 2a
>
>Battles, Franklin W M 45/48 (head) farmer AL TN NC
>", Sarah W F 27 wife GA NC NC
>", Richard W M 14 son AL AL GA
>", Jane W F 12 dau. AL AL GA
>", James W M 7 son AL AL GA
>", Lela W F 5 dau. AL AL GA
>", Della W F 3 dau. AL AL GA
>
>[columns are name, color, gender, age, relation to head, occupation,
>birthplace, birthplaces of parents]
>
>BTW, I might not have thought that this was the family of your Richard
>except that the oral tradition in your family gave Richard's father the
>name Franklin. The discrepancy in the ages (the fact that this Richard
>was 14 in 1880 and 31 in 1900) is not huge compared to many errors I have
>found in census records, though. The fact that he was 47 in 1910 is
>worrisome, though; maybe I should have transcribed it "41" instead.
>
>
>I will have to do a little more digging in earlier censuses to find the
>parents of Franklin. I got sidetracked looking at your Ashworth
>ancestors; here are the entries I found for them.
>
>
>1910 - Cherokee Co., AL, e.d. 2, sheet 3a
>
>Ashworth, Sherman head M W 25 M1 3 GA AL AL
>", Georgia L. wife F W 19 M1 3 1 1 AL AL AL
>", Tair L. dau. F W 1 S AL AL[sic] AL
>
>
>1910 - Cherokee Co., AL, e.d. 14, sheet 2b
>
>Ashworth, James M. head M W 28 M1 3 GA GA GA
>", Alice wife F W 28 M1 3 1 1 GA GA GA
>", Naoma dau. F W 3 S GA GA GA
>", Bessie sis. F W 21 S GA GA GA
>", Ida sis. F W 18 S GA GA GA
>", Comodore neph. M W 3 S AL AL GA
>
>This Comodore Ashworth is almost certainly identical to the Commodore
>Battles in the 1920 census. Whether Robert Battles was his natural or
>adoptive father would have to be determined from the available records
>(birth, adoption, etc.), if they weren't burned. It seems likely that he
>was at least Bessie's natural son, though (although this is not certain
>from this evidence, either).
>
>
>1900 - Polk Co., GA, e.d. 87, sheet 11b
>
>Ashworth, Carter J. head W M Jun 1852 47 Wd GA GA GA farmer&miner
>", Judge M. son W M Mar 1881 19 S GA GA GA
>", Randolph son W M Mar 1884 16 S GA GA GA
>", Sherman son W M Mar 1886 14 S GA GA GA
>", Bessie dau. W F Dec 1890 9 S GA GA GA
>", Alfred son W M Apr 1892 8 S GA GA GA
>", Alexander son W M Jan 1893 7 S GA GA GA
>", Ida dau. W F Mar 1895 5 S GA GA GA
>(next door)
>Ashworth, John head W M Mar 1821 79 Wd GA GA GA farmer
>
>
>Almost certainly, John Ashworth was Carter's father, but this remains to
>be proven.
>
>So, from the census data so far, we have the following family sketch:
>
>BATTLES family
>
>1. Franklin Battles: b c1832/5 in AL; m (1st) ___; m (2nd) Sarah ___ (b
>c1853 in GA); resided in Cherokee Co., AL, in 1880
>
>children:
>(a) Richard Battles: see #2 below
>(b) Jane Battles: b c1868 AL
>(c) James Battles: b c1873 AL
>(d) Lela Battles: b c1875 AL
>(e) Della Battles: b c1877 AL
>
>2. Richard Battles (son of Franklin by his first wife): b cJan 1866/9 in
>AL; m c1888 (prob. in Cherokee Co., AL) Rosa L___ (b cAug 1874 GA); they
>resided in Cherokee Co., AL, in 1900 and 1910
>
>children:
>(a) Minnie L. Battles: b cAug 1890 AL
>(b) Robert N. Battles: see #3 below
>(c) Walter M. Battles: b cSep 1899 AL
>(d) Arthur Battles: b c1904 AL
>
>3. Robert N. Battles: b cDec 1893 AL; m bef 1914 (prob. in Cherokee Co.)
>Bessie Ashworth (see Ashworth family below); they resided in Cherokee Co.,
>AL, in 1920
>
>children:
>
>(a) Commodore (Ashworth) Battles: b c1907 AL (perhaps adopted)
>(b) Richard F. Battles: b c1913 AL **your ancestor**
>(c) Oma L. Battles: b cSep 1915 AL
>(d) Velma M. Battles: b cDec 1918 AL
>
>
>ASHWORTH family
>
>1. John Ashworth: b cMar 1821 in GA; m ___ (died before 1900); he resided
>in Polk Co., GA, in 1900
>
>child:
>(a) Carter J. Ashworth: see #2 below
>
>2. Carter J. Ashworth: b cJun 1852 in GA; m ___ (died before 1900); he
>resided in Polk Co., GA, in 1900
>
>children:
>(a) Judge M. Ashworth: b cMar 1881 in GA; m c1907 (prob in AL) Alice ___
> (b c1881/2 in GA); they resided in Cherokee Co., AL, in 1910 (listed
> as "James M.")
>(b) Randolph Ashworth: b cMar 1884 in GA
>(c) Sherman Ashworth: b cMar 1886 in GA; m c1907 (prob in AL) Georgia L___
> (b c1890/1 in AL); they resided in Cherokee Co., AL, in 1910
>(d) Bessie Ashworth: b cDec 1890 in GA; m Robert N. Battles (see above)
>(e) Alfred Ashworth: b cApr 1892 in GA
>(f) Alexander Ashworth: b cJan 1893 in GA
>(g) Ida Ashworth: b cMar 1895 in GA
>
>
>BTW, you could probably get birth certificates for some of these more
>recent ancestors. Also, it would be worthwhile to check for Confederate
>service for some of these men.
>
>-Robert
>
>
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-----Original Message-----
From: R. Battle <battle@u.washington.edu>
To: Cathy Thompson <chatkat@strato.net>
Cc: Ron Thompson <ronwidd@sageinst.com>
Date: Thursday, May 06, 1999 10:03 AM
Subject: New Battles and Ashworth stuff>Cathy,
>
>I'm still not done, but I was able to find some more info in the census
>records today. First off, let me retract what I said about finding your
>Robert Battles in the Social Security death index, as your Robert had a
>different birth date.
>
>Here are the Battles family entries I looked at today.
>
>1900 - Cherokee Co., AL, e.d. 124, sheet 9a (14 Jun 1900)
>
>Battles, Richard head W M Jan 1869 31 M 12 AL AL AL farmer
>", Rosa L. wife W F Aug 1874 25 M 12 4 4 GA GA GA
>", Minnie L. dau. W F Aug 1890 9 S AL AL GA
>", Robert N. son W M Dec 1893 6 S AL AL GA
>", Walter M. son W M Sep 1899 8/12 S AL AL GA
>
>[columns are name, relation to head of household, color, gender, month of
>birth, year of birth, age, marital status, years married, number of
>children, number of surviving children, state of birth, states of birth of
>parents, occupation]
>
>
>1880 - Cherokee Co., AL, e.d. 23, s. 2a
>
>Battles, Franklin W M 45/48 (head) farmer AL TN NC
>", Sarah W F 27 wife GA NC NC
>", Richard W M 14 son AL AL GA
>", Jane W F 12 dau. AL AL GA
>", James W M 7 son AL AL GA
>", Lela W F 5 dau. AL AL GA
>", Della W F 3 dau. AL AL GA
>
>[columns are name, color, gender, age, relation to head, occupation,
>birthplace, birthplaces of parents]
>
>BTW, I might not have thought that this was the family of your Richard
>except that the oral tradition in your family gave Richard's father the
>name Franklin. The discrepancy in the ages (the fact that this Richard
>was 14 in 1880 and 31 in 1900) is not huge compared to many errors I have
>found in census records, though. The fact that he was 47 in 1910 is
>worrisome, though; maybe I should have transcribed it "41" instead.
>
>
>I will have to do a little more digging in earlier censuses to find the
>parents of Franklin. I got sidetracked looking at your Ashworth
>ancestors; here are the entries I found for them.
>
>
>1910 - Cherokee Co., AL, e.d. 2, sheet 3a
>
>Ashworth, Sherman head M W 25 M1 3 GA AL AL
>", Georgia L. wife F W 19 M1 3 1 1 AL AL AL
>", Tair L. dau. F W 1 S AL AL[sic] AL
>
>
>1910 - Cherokee Co., AL, e.d. 14, sheet 2b
>
>Ashworth, James M. head M W 28 M1 3 GA GA GA
>", Alice wife F W 28 M1 3 1 1 GA GA GA
>", Naoma dau. F W 3 S GA GA GA
>", Bessie sis. F W 21 S GA GA GA
>", Ida sis. F W 18 S GA GA GA
>", Comodore neph. M W 3 S AL AL GA
>
>This Comodore Ashworth is almost certainly identical to the Commodore
>Battles in the 1920 census. Whether Robert Battles was his natural or
>adoptive father would have to be determined from the available records
>(birth, adoption, etc.), if they weren't burned. It seems likely that he
>was at least Bessie's natural son, though (although this is not certain
>from this evidence, either).
>
>
>1900 - Polk Co., GA, e.d. 87, sheet 11b
>
>Ashworth, Carter J. head W M Jun 1852 47 Wd GA GA GA farmer&miner
>", Judge M. son W M Mar 1881 19 S GA GA GA
>", Randolph son W M Mar 1884 16 S GA GA GA
>", Sherman son W M Mar 1886 14 S GA GA GA
>", Bessie dau. W F Dec 1890 9 S GA GA GA
>", Alfred son W M Apr 1892 8 S GA GA GA
>", Alexander son W M Jan 1893 7 S GA GA GA
>", Ida dau. W F Mar 1895 5 S GA GA GA
>(next door)
>Ashworth, John head W M Mar 1821 79 Wd GA GA GA farmer
>
>
>Almost certainly, John Ashworth was Carter's father, but this remains to
>be proven.
>
>So, from the census data so far, we have the following family sketch:
>
>BATTLES family
>
>1. Franklin Battles: b c1832/5 in AL; m (1st) ___; m (2nd) Sarah ___ (b
>c1853 in GA); resided in Cherokee Co., AL, in 1880
>
>children:
>(a) Richard Battles: see #2 below
>(b) Jane Battles: b c1868 AL
>(c) James Battles: b c1873 AL
>(d) Lela Battles: b c1875 AL
>(e) Della Battles: b c1877 AL
>
>2. Richard Battles (son of Franklin by his first wife): b cJan 1866/9 in
>AL; m c1888 (prob. in Cherokee Co., AL) Rosa L___ (b cAug 1874 GA); they
>resided in Cherokee Co., AL, in 1900 and 1910
>
>children:
>(a) Minnie L. Battles: b cAug 1890 AL
>(b) Robert N. Battles: see #3 below
>(c) Walter M. Battles: b cSep 1899 AL
>(d) Arthur Battles: b c1904 AL
>
>3. Robert N. Battles: b cDec 1893 AL; m bef 1914 (prob. in Cherokee Co.)
>Bessie Ashworth (see Ashworth family below); they resided in Cherokee Co.,
>AL, in 1920
>
>children:
>
>(a) Commodore (Ashworth) Battles: b c1907 AL (perhaps adopted)
>(b) Richard F. Battles: b c1913 AL **your ancestor**
>(c) Oma L. Battles: b cSep 1915 AL
>(d) Velma M. Battles: b cDec 1918 AL
>
>
>ASHWORTH family
>
>1. John Ashworth: b cMar 1821 in GA; m ___ (died before 1900); he resided
>in Polk Co., GA, in 1900
>
>child:
>(a) Carter J. Ashworth: see #2 below
>
>2. Carter J. Ashworth: b cJun 1852 in GA; m ___ (died before 1900); he
>resided in Polk Co., GA, in 1900
>
>children:
>(a) Judge M. Ashworth: b cMar 1881 in GA; m c1907 (prob in AL) Alice ___
> (b c1881/2 in GA); they resided in Cherokee Co., AL, in 1910 (listed
> as "James M.")
>(b) Randolph Ashworth: b cMar 1884 in GA
>(c) Sherman Ashworth: b cMar 1886 in GA; m c1907 (prob in AL) Georgia L___
> (b c1890/1 in AL); they resided in Cherokee Co., AL, in 1910
>(d) Bessie Ashworth: b cDec 1890 in GA; m Robert N. Battles (see above)
>(e) Alfred Ashworth: b cApr 1892 in GA
>(f) Alexander Ashworth: b cJan 1893 in GA
>(g) Ida Ashworth: b cMar 1895 in GA
>
>
>BTW, you could probably get birth certificates for some of these more
>recent ancestors. Also, it would be worthwhile to check for Confederate
>service for some of these men.
>
>-Robert
I hope to get to the archives tomorrow, so hopefully I'll have something
more to send you later (BTW, I live in Seattle-Tacoma; the NW branch of
the National Archives is here in Seattle).
The reason that I asked about death records is that they are usually
fairly easy to obtain if you know the approximate year and state that the
person died in, and they usually contain useful information such as the
names of parents and exact birth and death dates and locations. Depending
on the state, usually after about 1900 the records are held at the state
level, and you need to either go in in person or mail a request along with
a fee. For death dates after about 1940 you usually need to state that
you have some legal claim to the record (such as being a descendant), as
records have a certain time period before becoming public. You mentioned
that Bessie died about 1965/6 in VA, so here is a web page with some
information about where to write for her death certificate:
http://vitalrec.com/va.html
BTW, I think that I found your Robert Battles' name listed in the Social
Security death index. There was a Robert Battles who was born 15 Feb 1894
and died Apr 1963 (probably in Alabama). He was issued social security
#419-12-9265 in Alabama. You can also get copies of social security
applications, which always list parents and birthdate (though it takes
longer--up to a few months).
Until later,
Robert
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-----Original Message-----
From: R. Battle <battle@u.washington.edu>
To: Cathy Thompson <chatkat@strato.net>
Date: Monday, May 10, 1999 8:35 PM
Subject: Re: New Battles and Ashworth stuff>Cathy,
>
>I took a look at your site--good work!
>
>I seem to have come to something of a standstill in going back on the
>Battles and Ashworth lines, but probably a little more digging in the
>census records along with other sources would be revealing. Anyway, here
>is what I cam up with today.
>
>1860 - Cherokee Co., AL, pp. 314-315
>
>Battles, Wm. 80 M farmer 300 350 GA
>", Amy 60 F SC
>", Francis 20 M farmer AL
>", Lewis 17 M farmer AL
>", Charlsie M. 15 F AL
>
>[columns are name, age, gender, occupation, personal property, land value,
>birthplace]
>
>
>1850 - Cherokee Co., AL, pp. 136a-136b [269-270]
>
>Battles, Wm. 70 M Agr. 800 TN
>", Ann 60 F TN
>", Asunsen[??] 20 M Agr. AL
>", Semantha 18 F AL
>", Julia 16 F AL
>", Wm. 14 M AL
>", Franklin 12 M AL
>", Lewis 10 M AL
>", Charlsey 8 F AL
>
>[So, it looks like Franklin's father was William Battles, who was born
>c1780 either in TN or GA. The Ann Battles listed in the 1850 census seems
>unlikely as his mother, though, as she would have been 48 when he was
>born--possible, but unlikely. The problem is even greater for his younger
>siblings, though, as she would have been 52 when she had Charlsey.
>Perhaps her age is incorrect, or perhaps she was not William's first
>wife.]
>
>
>1880 - Polk Co., GA, e.d. 166, sheet 3
>
>Ashworth, John W M 60 farmer GA GA GA
>", Blanch W F 48 wife k.h. GA GA SC
>", William W M 21 son "wood holler" GA GA TN
>", Elisabeth W F 18 dau. farming GA GA TN
>", Mary E. W F 9 dau. GA GA TN
>Woods, Lum W M 23 h.h. "coling hand" GA GA GA
>
>[several houses down, same page]
>Ashworth, Carter W M 25 collier GA GA TN
>", Margarette W F 19 wife k.h. GA GA GA
>", William W M 3 son GA GA GA
>", James C. W M 3/12 son GA GA GA
>
>
>1860 - Cherokee Co., GA, p. 688b
>
>Ashworth, John 33 M miller $25 GA
>", Blancett 25 F GA
>", Nancy M. 8 F GA
>", James C. 7 M GA
>", Margarett 5 F GA
>", William J. 2 M GA
>
>[This James C. Ashworth is almost certainly your Carter J. Ashworth. I
>have encountered numerous examples of this phenomenon of first-middle name
>switching from census to census.]
>
>
>I also checked the list of Confederate servicemen, and apparently Franklin
>and many of his Battles family members fought in the Civil War. Franklin
>Battles was a private in Company F of the 19th Alabama Infantry (Conf.).
>I have listed the Battles members of this company and Company A of the
>31st Alabama Infantry below (all were privates):
>
>(in Co. F, 19th AL Inf.)
>Franklin Battles
>James Battles
>Asa Battles
>Albert Battles
>
>(in Co. A, 31st AL Inf.)
>Lewis A. Battles
>William M. Battles
>Richard Battles
>James F. Battles
>Gifford Battles
>A. Battles
>
>
>-Robert
>
Handwritten geneaolgy by Oma Lee Tucker, lists Rosa Lee
Resided in Polk County Georgia in 1900
she was 19 in the 1880 census